Ukraine army convoy crossed separatists controlled area end of July 2014
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It is assumed that a BUK missile was launched from separatists controlled area. However the border of the area controlled by separatists and Ukraine was not fixed. The maps published by the Ukraine Army showing areas under control of separatists does not mean an Ukraine BUK could not have have entered this erea.
End of July 2014 a 10+ vehicle Ukrainian army convoy crossed separatists controlled area from Artemivsk to (almost) Saur Mogila.
This trip was recorded on video and can be seen here. Ukraine at war wrote a blogpost showing the locations the convoy passed.
The route of the convoy can be seen in the map below.
The map below shows the situation in Eastern Ukraine. It shows the convoy crossed an area under control of the separatists.
The date this video was made is easy to establish. At 16:17 in the video a man wearing a bulletproof vest can be seen. Also a blonde lady. The man in the bulltproof vest is Dutch reporter Jaap van Deurzen. The lady is his interpreter.
Jaap van Deurzen confirms the date of the convoy to be end of July. My guess either July 27/28. See the RTL Nieuws of July 28. Van Deurzen arrived Ukraine July 26 and left August 5.
dit was inderdaad eind juli!!
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Kot-Ivanov shows three such movements – July 27, July 31, and August 2, with the July 27th movement continuing south to the H21 and thus being the one that is filmed. The rebel checkpoint at Hirne (checkpoint 20) on the H21 Highway was taken on July 27 but apparently lost again by July 28. The movement on July 27 was by a Battalion Tactical Group of the 95th Airborne Brigade. You can confirm these facts in the briefing of Strelkov from July 28 and the article on Colonel Cassad called “End of July Activity”.
They were able to destroy Checkpoint 20 and cross the H21 on July 27 because most DNR troops were busy at fights at Saur Mogila, Debaltsevo, and Stepano-Krynka. The small DNR groups at Shakhtersk and Torez were reinforced overnight and the corridor was reopened. Ukraine was not able to capture either city and could not hold the highway. Within days, they discovered that while they seriously outnumbered and outgunned the Militia, they were not prepared to undertake the urban fighting necessary to secure any of these cities and they withdrew from the northside of this area on August 5 while they were driven out of the south side of this area on August 21 (prior to the supposed Russian invasion of August 24).
But this of course clearly demonstrates with what easy impunity Ukraine could move BUK’s to Zaroshchenske and Gruzko-Zoryanske which would not involve crossing any location of any importance at all that they did not control.
Problem with convoy is next:
1. It is not convoy but armored mechanised battle group which created usually for deep penetrate into enemy territory (read about WW2 and Guderian). SA-11 TELAR cannot follow this group because vulnerable to even hand-guns and need refuel for work. Also, Ukrainian Army dont have SA-11 as part of battle group since it is Country Air Defense, dont Army Air Defense.
2. There is no evidence (photo, video, even eyewitness) which show presence of ukrainian SA-11 in any convoy. At same time, convoy from end of July 2014 is fixed by video and photos.
The whole point of this post is to proof it is possible for Ukraine forces to enter areas which are indicated by maps as controlled by separatists. The area is not fenced of by concrete walls.
Ofcourse there is no SA-11 to be seen in the video! But if there are no videos or photos available it does not mean an Ukraine BUK was not somewhere in the area.
Admin:
“Ukraine forces to enter areas which are indicated by maps as controlled by separatists”
From Ukrainian controlled Blagodatnoe, it was 10 km drive up a field road with no one around them and no rebels within 8 km at any point to come to Zaroshchenske. No armored convoy required.
More to the point, if Russia wanted to make a clever but blatant lie and put the territory under undisputed Ukrainian control, they could have photoshoped pictures of a BUK at Novopetrivske or Siyatel about at 25-30 km range from the shootdown point and there would have been nothing to say on this point.
Since we know the Russians are not stupid (they are clever enough to operate a space surveillance system after all), the parsimonious “Ockham’s Razor” explanation of the photo at Zaroshchenske is that it is real.
Still claiming a MoD satellite image is real that is clearly photoshopped?
No tracks at all going to the location.
No burn marks in the later images we all can see.
Can we remember this one?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK6h2VNW8AAGIxj.jpg
Just about everything the MoD presented was a LIE.
admin, so we can post ever conspiracy theory we want now?
No reason for them to be false, it could be a time and space traveler in a BUK from the future, and because there is no video of anyone shooting down MH17, therefore it could happen that way.
Or are we going to work with the evidence we have?
Fare thee well
Still claiming a MoD satellite image is real that is clearly photoshopped?
No tracks at all going to the location.
No burn marks in the later images we all can see.
Can we remember this one?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK6h2VNW8AAGIxj.jpg
Just about everything the MoD presented was a LIE.
admin, so we can post ever conspiracy theory we want now?
No reason for them to be false, it could be a time and space traveler in a BUK from the future, and because there is no video of anyone shooting down MH17, therefore it could happen that way.
Or are we going to work with the evidence we have?
Fare thee well